Interview
Jonny Smokes talks to The Uncarved Block
Released: 6th April 2023
ANDY: Having had the pleasure of working with you when you brought your mobile studio from the Netherlands to London (to record Imaginary Dreamers), I want to say thank you for giving me the time to answer some questions. Would you firstly let us know how you got into music and the production side of things?
JONNY: I actually got into music at a very early age. I was always surrounded by music on the radio, and my parents had a great record collection. I went to a lot of concerts as a child with my parents, and in 1984, I saw Iron Maiden live, and that particular concert really made me want to get on stage myself. (Dad! Buy me a bass! Buy me a bass…) I played piano at age 5, then my dad bought me a bass at 12 and a guitar at 14. I also was singing all throughout these years, and got a drum machine at 16. So over the years afterwards I began to record little demos on a four track, and that’s when I started to really pay attention more to the hidden details of the albums that I really enjoyed. When I would put on a complex piece of music that I had already listened to 100 times, and still discover new details, that’s when I really began to have an appreciation for music production as an art form in itself.
ANDY: You certainly had an early start with music. So, from your years of experience what would you say is the most important piece of advice for bands/artists that are intending to record their songs?
JONNY: I think what is important is to really have faith in how the song is performed live, and try to capture the energy that you want the song to evoke in the listener. If it is upbeat and happy, and makes you want to dance, then you need to be in a upbeat, happy frame of mind as you are performing it in the studio. Dance while you play (if possible.) Or if it is a sad song that makes you want to cry, you want to play with the passion and the pain that the listener needs to hear in order to connect with that deeper dark message. Create with feeling, not just technical delivery.
ANDY: That's a very good point that you don't hear many producers express. However, the technical side of recording can seem quite daunting, so what advice can you give to someone just starting out, regarding things like Digital Audio Workstations (DAW) and the vast array of plug-ins availabe?
JONNY: I think that the type of DAW, or even outboard analog equipment that you choose is not really the most important thing, but rather focusing on what makes the song good. The equipment is just a tool, the songs are what really matter. Most DAW‘s and even old analog equipment all have their pluses and minuses, so I can’t really say what is better or worse. I happened to use ProTools now, but I have worked with Session 8 software in the past, ADAT machines, reel to reel tape, 4 and 8 track tape machines, Boss digital desktop systems, and multiple computer-based DAW’s. They are all just useful tools of varying degree, so don’t let them distract you from your creativity. Just create!
What is more important is that you understand how to get a good tone on your initial track. Learning about mic placement or adjusting your levels so that things are not too quiet or too loud really makes a big difference in the end product. Of course you can twist all the dials on an EQ or compressor and change your recordings, but the best thing is to get as close to a perfect finished tone on your initial take without any additional things coloring it. Then when you add EQ, compression and effects, they just supplement and enhance what is already almost perfect. (Unless, of course, you want to make something extremely strange sounding, and then you can really apply a lot of effects to do some thing that stands out as a special effect track.) I have always asked other producers and live concert sound engineers little tricks that they use, and I have learned how to turn the dials and move the faders with a lot of hands on practice. I’m still learning! Plus you can also find lots of resources on YouTube to learn the real ins and outs of each piece of equipment in your signal chain. But ultimately you need to rely on your own ears and play with your mixes to see what happens when you change positions of instruments in the stereo panning, bringing things to the front and center versus hiding them in the background on the sides, and actually experimenting with mix automation to turn things up and down as they become more or less important to the listening experience. It all really ends up being more about using your ears and heart than any real technical application.
ANDY: Great advice, thanks. So what equipment do you really need to set up in order to get that perfect recording?
JONNY: You can spend millions of dollars on equipment, chasing all kinds of little sounds and still never be happy, so don’t get too caught up in all of the equipment brands and shiny things available. The essential things are just to have a couple of good microphones, a decent audio interface, (if you are using a computer,) a good clean DI box is always nice to have, as well as a tube mic preamp, but I would actually prioritize recording with fresh strings and new drum heads whenever possible. Most modern DAW systems have lots of effects built into the system, so it is not necessary to buy much outdoor equipment if you are using a computer. Otherwise, you would also want to invest in a decent compressor and reverb unit, and, of course find a bit of EQ that you can apply to your tracks. I personally am using the Slate Digital bundle for a lot my recordings and it has a fantastic collection of plug-ins that cover all my needs from FX to mastering. There is also a lot of great plug-ins available through Waves and other companies, but in the end it still comes down to trusting your ears.
ANDY: So let's get more in depth about the various instrument recording techniques, starting with the drums, which would appear to be the most difficult and time-consuming element. How do you approach recording them?
JONNY: Yes, drums can be quite a challenge, and there is not really any one particular mic or technique that fits all sizes. I have actually gotten really good drum recordings with just a pair of condenser overheads and a kick drum mic, using a special placement technique in a well treated room. But you also can mic up every drum on the top and bottom and have multiple room mics and end up with 24 tracks on a six piece drum kit if you really want to go crazy. One of the nice things about modern recording however, is that you can get basic drum tones with very simple mics, and then use drum replacement software, and a very high end sample library. In this case, what becomes most important is to have a good pair of condensers capturing your cymbals, because then the rest of the drums can be blended over and replaced using samples to create the perfect drum kit for each song. Otherwise you want to really make sure your individual drums are gated to prevent cross-talk, pay attention to phase issues between all the mics, and really spend the time tuning the kit and using tape and moon-gel to keep things from ringing too much. There is a tremendous amount of information coming from a drum kit, so each voice needs its own space and you want to try to keep each drum in a certain frequency range without too much competition.
ANDY: Right, good things to know, thanks. So let's move on to recording guitars
JONNY: When recording guitar and bass, I think it is very important to have your instrument in its best playing shape. You want new strings, a good intonation set up, and make sure that your pickups are adjusted to give the best balance between all the strings. From there, (using the in/out on your DI’s,) I would usually capture a clean DI recording, (direct from the instrument before it goes into your pedal board,) then also a DI capture of your effect pedals before the amplifier, and finally a couple of mics on your speaker cabinet itself. This way you have the option of using the organic tones, but also re-amping any part of the chain to get additional effects or adjust things in the mix. Sometimes replacing an effect pedal with a plugin gives you much greater flexibility in the final mix. Also, simply using different guitar amps and especially speaker cabinet IR’s can make massive improvements and changes to your tones. I’m a big fan of blending multiple amps and multi tracking on several different guitars to create thick tones. As in all parts of the process, play with passion and really try to capture the best raw tone from the beginning though.
Jonny Smokes with Imaginary Dreamers in 2022
Paying close attention to the drum microphone placements
ANDY: Great points to remember, again stressing that the primary recording quality is vital. So does this translate to vocal recording, too, as often this can make or break a song? What are the optimal conditions for the vocalist to consider?
JONNY: Vocals are definitely the main focus of most modern songs. It is important for your vocalist to be in good physical condition and properly hydrated. Make sure you have warm tea, honey, lemons, licorice, throat lozenges, and even potato chips handy. (Potato chips are salty and oily, and can help when screaming and doing aggressive vocals!) Remember it is important to use a pop screen and not be too close to your microphone. That way you don’t have to use a lot of de-essing or get too much low end and plosives in your recordings. The singer should also be aware that when they are singing loud or quiet, they can move a bit closer or further from the mic, but nothing too extreme, just forward and backwards, never off axis from the mic. When you are producing your vocals, you need to really pay attention to the pronunciation of words, as well as timing and pitch. And above all you need to remember to sing with emotion. When you are doing vocals in a room or an isolation booth, it is important not to have too many reflective surfaces around the microphone. You don’t want an entirely dead and flat sounding room, but you definitely want as quiet as possible of a location. You are trying to capture all of the delicate nuances of the human voice without external noises or too many other factors affecting the tone of the vocals. Sometimes simply hanging a heavy blanket around the microphone is enough to prevent strange frequencies and reverbs from interfering. You can always add the perfect reverb and delay effects with additional plug-ins, but if you pick things up by accident that you don’t want in your mix, they can be very troublesome to remove or mask.
ANDY: And continuing on from that, how many takes would you recommend for each part?
I tend to try to limit my number of takes of any instrument to four or five at the most. Musicians should have the pieces rehearsed well enough that they can execute them accurately every time. Then, if you only do a small number of takes, you just need to listen for the one with the best emotional output. From there, if there are any tiny things to fix, you can usually take them from one of your next best choices and patch them in to get the perfect take that way.
As for vocals, I prefer to try and do 4 or 5 initial takes, and then edit a good basic master guide track. Then I would let the vocalist listen to this “ideal” performance and have him or her try to re-create that take another 5 times, paying close attention, trying to double all of the timing and note performances, but really getting expressive about the emotion. With that much to choose from in your final mix down, you should be able to take the very best performance and maybe just replace a word or two if necessary at all. Then when that is finally done, the best thing is to come back in and do another series of takes where you try to double perfectly that master performance, and maybe take several passes of the choruses. This way you can double your verses and triple or quadruple your choruses with the additional vocals very low in the mix, creating a very thick result for your final vocal. Then do the same for your harmonies and backups. On a final mix you may only consciously hear the main vocal and a couple of harmonies, but there can often be dozens of tracks buried in the mix that are creating this. Main vocals can have both low and high octaves doubling them, but those tracks are barely audible unless you really listen closely with high end headphones. Backup harmonies can be produced the same way, and spread all over in different panning locations to create a huge choir effect. Often the main line of any vocal is thickened by multiple other layers mixed underneath at -10 to -20db compared to the forward track. The importance of timing and pitch when multiple vocals are layered is obvious when you try to layer takes that don’t sync up, so be sure you are really tight about the performances, or edit them with Melodyne so the timing is correct.
ANDY: So that is a great insight into the recording process, but what about the editing and mixing process? When it comes to using plugins, what would you consider the most useful types for a beginner?
JONNY: Fortunately, all the modern computer-based recording systems come with the basic plug-ins that you need. These are always usable, and when you are starting out, you should play with them and really see what all of the knobs do so that you can learn how these plug-ins affect your recordings. Later, additional plug-ins can be purchased or used with a subscription and you will expand your pallet of audio colors, then you will find additional options to your basic choices, and everybody comes across particular plug-ins that they tend to find the most useful for their own applications. But the ones that are the most important are reverb, compression, and EQ. Other ones are time effects like delay, choruses, flangers and phasers. Envelope filters can make cool special noises, and pitch effects can be useful to create octaves and fixed harmonies. Take your free time and just play around with your system and all it’s plug-ins. Even if you think you may never use some strange effect, its good to know what they are capable of doing. You never know what you might want to create! And you can always double a track, add crazy effects, then A/B it or blend it in with the dry track to create something unique in a breakdown or intro!
ANDY: I like that you advise experimenting with all the elements, too. So, when it comes to the final edit, how can you optimise the mix when getting ready to master the song?
JONNY: A big part of preparing your master is to not make it too loud. You want your tracks to have lots of dynamics yet still have headroom so that the mastering process has plenty of room to apply additional compression and be able to put a final EQ on the finished product. I like to mix my songs so that the loudest point of the song is still around -6db below zero. Then the mastering studio has a good clean signal to both turn up the quiet parts and compress the peaks. You will find that when mixing, your room environment is one of the most important things to pay attention to. You really want to try to tune your mixing room so that it doesn’t build up particular frequencies because that can negatively affect your mix. Sound treatment in your mixing environment is the most important thing to spend your time and money on, well before choosing high end studio monitors. You can have all the best equipment in the world, but if the sound in the room itself is bad, it will affect your mixes in the worst way. And by comparison, a very well tuned room can produce incredible mixes on very inexpensive monitors. Once you create your mix in a good flat mixing environment, you can listen to it on a few external systems in other locations, and it should sound consistent. If you are finding big differences in other locations, it is very important to still continue to treat the sound of your mixing environment before you bother tweaking your mixes anymore.
ANDY: For those artists that have already mastered the basics of recording, are there any hints or techniques that you use to add that extra level of precision in the final mix?
JONNY: For me personally, I try not to use the same technique on every single song. I think each song is an individual creation, and will always need different things applied to the final mix in order to bring out the best of the particular piece of music. However, one thing that I often do is reference my mix against other recordings that have a similar vibe. I do this both by listening closely and also opening the other tracks and looking at their overall EQ through a spectral analyzer. Visually, I can compare my mix overall to what is happening in a song that I want it to sound similar to. If I see a huge spike or gap by comparison, sometimes a bit of EQ adjustment in that area can bring out some thing that might be missing, or cut it back to reduce some thing that is overpowering. But even this trick is often only a boost or cut by a couple decibels in a small band on the EQ, and often I just play around with it, but still rely mostly on my ears for the final critique. Importantly, one other tip that I could give to other engineers and producers is to use low cut when recording most of your tracks. The only things that I really allow the full low end spectrum to come through on are bass recordings, some piano or synth tracks, and kick drums. Otherwise, I tend to roll off the super low frequencies on everything so that they don’t build up too much low response in the final overall mix. This also gives more room for the lowest notes of bases (and possibly pianos) and kick drums to cut through the way that they are intended. You certainly don’t need frequencies below 80hz in your guitars, snare drum, cymbals, vocals, and other high end instruments. This just creates muddy mixes. Cut it out when you track and save the headaches!
And my final piece of advice is to try to create a mix where the listener can close their eyes, and imagine that they are sitting in the front row of a live concert. You want to be able to feel connected to a group of musicians, as if you are in the same room with them. or if you are doing a quiet section or a simple song, make it feel intimate, as if you are literally sitting right across from someone as they sing and play the guitar or piano right next to your ears. I try to mix the song, as if I am in the same room as the artist who is singing it to me personally. Because ultimately artists want to connect with someone in a personal way, and we all want to listen to music that really speaks to our hearts. We are spiritual vibrations at our core, and that is why music is so powerful: it is pure vibration and spirit. So try to capture that in its purest form and refine it to reflect the truth and light that the song speaks of. At the end of the signal chain, after all the knobs and buttons, remember that we are just using the gear to transport one’s heart to another.
ANDY: Such a beautiful way to round off the interview. Thank you so much for all of your brilliant advice - I know this will be invaluable to myself and others seeking to expand their recording experience. Hope to hear more from you in the future.
"No Regrets" by Imaginary Dreamers, was recorded, edited and mixed by Jonny when he brought his mobile studio over to London for a few days in 2022, and you can hear the finished track, below. As well as his work as music producer, Jonny can be found doing solo gigs around The Netherlands and Europe, plus he is the vocalist of "Sounds Of Seattle" tribute band.
Recording the guitar parts
It's important to find the optimal distance for recording the vocals